Discovering deep-dish pizza, with the taste that started it all (2024)

CHICAGO—

In 1978, a few months after Marc Malnati got out of college, his father, Lou, died of cancer at just 47 years old. Marc, then in his 20s, took on a more active role in the family business, picking up where his father left off. Lou Malnati’s Pizzeria had just three outposts at the time. Now there are more than 50 locations in Chicagoland alone.

If you grew up in Chicago, then it’s likely that you’ve had a Malnati pie or some form of deep dish from one of the other big names: Pizzeria Uno, Gino’s East, Pequod’s. Although deep dish lovers may be guilty of what Chicago food reporter Steve Dolinsky called Pizza I Grew Up Eating Syndrome — the bias toward the pie of one’s childhood — there does seem to be a local consensus that, in the least, deep dish is a high-sided carriage of crust holding mozzarella, tomatoes and other fillings.

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The deep dish pizza at Lou Malnati’s has a surprisingly thin, flaky crust that straddles pizza and pie dough.

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

The Malnati dough is yeastier and bubblier than most and thus imbued with the aged flavor of long-proofed pizza, while other crusts tend to be thicker and can taste sweeter, almost biscuity. Malnati’s flaky crust straddles pizza and pie dough with a pop-star wink. Layered with cheese, meat and tomatoes, in that order, the pizza is as tall as a modest quiche and appropriately saucy. It is separate from its cousin, Detroit-style pan pizza, and not necessarily, though sometimes (like the versions you may find at Giordano’s, another Chicago pizza institution), stuffed.

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“It’s not that big,” said Marc Malnati, Lou Malnati’s chairman, emphasizing that the restaurant’s deep dish is a “thin pizza with high sides.”

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

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When it comes to toppings, Marc Malnati said, sausage — considered most classic — beats out pepperoni in Chicago.

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

Understandably, deep dish pizza has confused many. Jon Stewart called it “tomato soup in a bread bowl.” (Malnati took issue with this and even went on “The Daily Show” to correct Stewart.) New York Times Food columnist J. Kenji López-Alt considers it a casserole, which is not incorrect, since deep dish was first developed to be a more filling, meal-appropriate menu item than its counterpart: thin-crust tavern-style pizza (which Chicagoans just call pizza).

To consider deep dish pizza is to consider Chicago. Waiting in long lines at beloved spots with a group of friends is part of the deep dish experience, even if the meal is often reserved for special occasions, family parties and corporate outings. It’s the city’s most famous but arguably most misunderstood culinary mascot; to understand it, you have to meet the team of players that makes up its world of styles. And if you really want to know the original version, you have to bake one at home.

The original

Many disparage deep dish pizza for being too cheesy, too saucy, too much. But its heaviness was arguably a later feature, especially from the 1970s and on, when newspapers started calling it “deep dish.” Go further back in time, when it was just known as “pizza in a pan,” and you’ll find a light crust, thin and barely 1 inch up the sides (one might consider it shallow, even), with some cheese, a modest lacy network of sausage and a savory pond of just-cooked tomatoes.

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There are few dishes in America whose genealogy can be traced so clearly. A lot of hands went into creating Chicago’s most famous pizza, Malnati said, and it started with Richard Riccardo, the Northern Italian restaurateur who opened Pizzeria Uno in 1943, a few months after his family moved into the apartment above the abandoned basem*nt tavern.

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Beginning in 2009 at the Newberry Library in Chicago, the financial statistician Peter Regas has been researching the origins of American pizzerias during his off time.

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

Riccardo’s 1945 recipe, adapted and featured below, is probably the oldest-known record of deep dish pizza in America, according to Peter Regas, a financial statistician by day and pizza historian by night. Regas, 57, who has been researching deep dish for 15 years, found that newspaper recipe clipping during his research and believes that it is the closest depiction of the deep dish pizza that was served at Uno when they first opened. The biggest surprise? The original’s dough was cakey and, frankly, not that deep.

In the 1960s and early 1970s, Regas said, the dough increased in thickness and raised as high as the outer rim of the deep dish pan.

Know that the original recipe for deep dish pizza might not be made at the historical pizzeria anymore. The building is there, but after more than 80 years, how could the same formula still be?

Family connections

Lou Malnati began his pizza career at Pizzeria Uno, managing the restaurant with his father, Rudy Malnati Sr., in the 1950s. In 1971, after Uno’s second owner, Ike Sewell, wouldn’t sell the business to him, Lou Malnati left and opened the first branch of the pizzeria bearing his name in Lincolnwood, Ill., a northern suburb of Chicago.

If you’ve been around the block, then you might remember the days when the Lou Malnati’s Pizzeria in Chicago’s Gold Coast neighborhood used to be a McDonald’s. The first thing you’ll see in the building’s spacious kitchen is a wall of aged steel pizza pans, their rough, coal-black surfaces signifying seasoning — built-in taste, Malnati called it.

That style of deep dish Malnati, 68, grew up eating is still the kind he makes today.

It’s “a symphony of flavors,” he said, right at that first bite, which he takes not off the tip but at the right angle where the crust meets the cheese and tomato.

Deep dish has shape-shifted radically from its early Uno days and splintered off into iterative styles as sons became fathers, and managers became owners of new stores. If there are so many iterations, then how do we know what deep dish is?

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The deep dish pizza at Gino’s East features a uniquely yellowed crust that is rich both in flavor and in color.

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

The way it used to be

As the founder of Chicago Pizza Tours, Jonathan Porter was in search of the Pizza He Grew Up Eating, a biscuity, buttery-doughed number at Gino’s East, famous for its distinguishing yellow-stained crust (which doesn’t come from cornmeal, contrary to popular belief). That particular crust, rich in color and in flavor, might be credited to Alice Mae Redmond, an Uno pizza cook who moved over to Gino’s East, where she most likely developed her own style of dough, something shorter and with more fat, as in a biscuit.

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Many deep dish pizzas in Chicago start with aged steel pans that are deeply seasoned and black.

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

Over the years, Porter, 46, found that the Gino’s East pizza no longer tasted the same as he remembered it in his childhood. The company had sold multiple times, and he felt that the pizza kept changing, too. Had the recipe changed, or had he?

Porter got his answer one day while driving around with an old friend. At a traffic stop, he noticed the newly opened Bartoli’s and wondered if it had anything to do with Fred Bartoli, one of the original founders of Gino’s East. As it turned out, Bartoli’s grandson, Brian Tondryk, was the owner of the new pizzeria, which sells a version that honors the original Gino’s recipe.

At Bartoli’s, Porter recalled, the pizza was like a butter-yellow time machine: “It really brought us back to the early ’90s and the days that we would go to Gino’s,” he said. It was “exactly the way it used to be.”

The favorite

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At local favorite Pequod’s Pizza, “Monday morning pretty much looks like O’Hare Airport with luggage in the front,” said its general manager, Sean Asbra.

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

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The caramelized cheese crown of Pequod’s pizza — its distinguishing factor — is considered the secret to the restaurant’s popularity and fan base.

(Lyndon French / The New York Times)

If institutions like Pizzeria Uno, Lou Malnati’s and Gino’s East are the Whitney, Celine and Mariah of deep dish, then Pequod’s might be Ariana Grande: deep dish for today’s crispy cheese lovers. Like the crust at Gino’s East, the caramelized cheese crown of Pequod’s pie — its distinguishing factor — is the secret to the restaurant’s popularity and fan base of locals and tourists alike.

“Monday morning pretty much looks like O’Hare Airport with luggage in the front,” said Pequod’s general manager, Sean Asbra. But during the pandemic, when travel was limited, he found that his restaurant was still full — with locals. “The locals are the ones that got us to this point.”

When they moved from the city to the suburbs, those locals preached the word of Pequod’s regal cheese crust. When they moved to, say, California, they proselytized at their children’s schools, at birthday parties, at the grocery store. They were asked, as Chicagoans, “Where should we go for deep dish?” They said Pequod’s. “I mean, that didn’t come from the tourists,” Asbra, 54, said.

Since 1971, Pequod’s has maintained its status as a mom-and-pop shop, still running just two stores and relying heavily on walk-in customers and delivery from apps like Uber Eats and DoorDash, which increased the pizzeria’s customer radius by at least 20 miles.

Ask a group of Chicagoans what their favorite deep dish pizza is today, and many, especially younger ones, will say Pequod’s, whose version features not raised sides of dough but of caramelized cheese. Some pizza nuts would consider it closer to a Detroit-style pan pizza and not Chicago-style deep dish, but when Asbra was asked which style he would consider Pequod’s, he said, “Yes.”

The recipe

Archival photographs help tell the story of how much deep dish has changed, Regas said, noting how shallow the original deep dish actually was, among other things. The crust is also lighter, almost caky. It’s not so fermented. In fact, Regas prefers two consecutive proofs at room temperature (versus an overnight refrigeration) so the yeast doesn’t eat up all the sugar in the dough, which is his favorite part.

Making and perfecting deep dish pizza at home, as Regas has done over the years, isn’t just a means to eat more of it; it’s also the best way to understand the origins of the dish and to appreciate it for what it is, not what it isn’t.

This is not to say that other styles that came after it aren’t deep dish. In the world of Chicago-style pizza, time is a circle: It’s all pizza.

Deep Dish Pizza

What is Chicago deep dish crust meant to be? Ask any Chicagoan: It depends on what you grew up eating. The original recipe has a thinner, shallower crust than many versions from today’s pizzerias, and making it at home may be the only way to taste it. This recipe is based on the earliest known published recipe that Richard Riccardo, the founder of Pizzeria Uno, shared with newspaper columnist Gaynor Maddox in 1945. Peter Regas, a pizza historian, finessed it over many years, and here, it’s been adapted to work in any home kitchen. All you need is a couple of 8- or 9-inch metal cake pans and an open mind. The crust in this variation is almost cakey and not as fermented as other styles of deeply proofed pizza dough. The sausage is what makes this especially Chicagoan, but if you don’t eat it, you could swap out the mozzarella for provolone for more richness with the same cheese pull.

Makes two (8- to 9-inch) deep dish pizzas

INGREDIENTS

For the dough:
1 cup/240 grams whole milk
2½ tablespoons/38 grams unsalted butter
2 tablespoons/25 grams granulated sugar
1 teaspoon coarse kosher salt or fine salt
2¼ teaspoons/7 grams active dry yeast (1 envelope)
2¾ cups/360 grams all-purpose flour, plus more if needed
Olive oil, for greasing

To assemble:
10 slices mozzarella (6 to 8 ounces)
6 ounces loose sweet or hot Italian sausage (removed from casings if in links)
1 (28-ounce) can whole peeled San Marzano tomatoes in puree, tomatoes crushed with your hands
Salt
6 tablespoons grated Pecorino Romano or Parmesan, plus more for serving
Basil leaves, for topping (optional)

DIRECTIONS

1. Prepare the dough: In a small saucepan, heat the milk over medium just until small bubbles start to form around the edge of the pan. Pour the milk into the bowl of a stand mixer fitted with the dough hook or into a large bowl. Add the butter and let it melt. Stir in the sugar and salt until dissolved, then let the mixture cool to lukewarm.

2. Sprinkle the yeast over the lukewarm milk mixture, stir and let stand until foamy, 5 to 10 minutes. Add the flour. If using a stand mixer, go straight into kneading on medium-low speed for about 10 minutes or until the dough becomes light and springy. If kneading by hand, first beat the mixture to combine, then turn out onto a floured surface and knead until light and springy.

3. Place the dough in an oiled bowl, cover with a towel and let rise in a warm place until doubled, 1 to 2 hours.

4. Make a fist and gently press down on the dough with your knuckles to release some gas, then transfer to a cutting board or other clean surface, divide and form into two balls. Put each ball in an 8- or 9-inch metal cake pan generously greased with olive oil and cover with plastic wrap. If not using right away, refrigerate for up to 48 hours. Let refrigerated dough come to room temperature, about 1 hour, before using.

5. Let the dough rise a second time, still covered, until doubled in size, 1 to 2 hours. Position a rack in the bottom of the oven and heat to 450 degrees.

6. Assemble the pizzas: Flatten the dough balls in the pans, using your fingers to gently stretch the dough to the edges of each pan and about 1 inch up the sides (keeping the dough thin on the sides). If the dough keeps springing back toward the center, walk away for a few minutes and come back after it has rested.

7. Line the bottom of each dough round with 5 overlapping cheese slices. (It’s OK if some of the dough shows.) Scatter bits of sausage over the cheese in a single layer, then cover with the crushed tomatoes in puree. Season with salt, then sprinkle with pecorino.

8. Bake for 25 to 30 minutes, until the crust is golden-brown, then remove from the oven and let cool slightly. Top with basil leaves, if using.

Recipe from Peter Regas; adapted by Eric Kim.

Kim writes for The New York Times.

Discovering deep-dish pizza, with the taste that started it all (2024)

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